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Post by Warrior Ryka on Feb 28, 2005 19:43:40 GMT -5
Ben the question is what Sam hasn't done. You should see paradise...Sam burnt the fields and poisoned the water supply. Water was the only thing Paradise had better than Chico!!!!!!
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Post by Rev. Ben Blythe on Feb 28, 2005 23:22:21 GMT -5
"he burnt our crops, poisoned our water supply and brought a plague unto our houses!"
"did he?"
"No but are we going to just sit around and wait until he does?"- As seen in Sponge Bob Square Pants.
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Post by Warrior Ryka on Feb 28, 2005 23:33:43 GMT -5
You know your cartoons Ben!
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Post by SenatorGregory on Feb 28, 2005 23:40:35 GMT -5
ben,
no one is doubting that eldar have had a major part on the 40k universe or not,i think we can all agree they have but look. Nids ARE overrunning countless worlds at a time. necrons ARE going about harvesting souls all over the place. orks ARE running amuk across the galaxy.
The only thing that DIDNT happen, is that the imperium is not in ruins. But, mr Blythe, the eldar claim the the Inhabitants of the imperium are an INFERIOR RACE. Now, i can't see why having an inferior race aboout would be a good thing for the eldar. Plus, i can't understand how a DYING RACE has the right to call a massive interplanetary race "inferior" when they couldn't even keep themselves from destroying eachother.
end of story
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Post by Warrior Ryka on Feb 28, 2005 23:43:36 GMT -5
when they couldn't even keep themselves from destroying eachother. What do you call the Traitor Legions and Legion of the d**ned. Isn't the Imperium and all those guys killing each other?
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Post by SenatorGregory on Feb 28, 2005 23:45:41 GMT -5
yes BUT. we havent caused a massive catastrophe to nearly destroy our entire race, unlike the eldar
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Post by Warrior Ryka on Feb 28, 2005 23:52:27 GMT -5
But it's bound to happen to them too. Yet Orks do that and it doesn't bother their population. Those crazy Orks...
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Post by SenatorGregory on Feb 28, 2005 23:54:28 GMT -5
well its also bound to happen that the eldar race will die out enitrely, nuff said
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Post by Warrior Ryka on Mar 1, 2005 0:24:52 GMT -5
Well it'll happen to the Imperium if the Eldar die out...the Imperium will go with the Eldar since they have few other allies.
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Post by sonofsparky on Mar 1, 2005 14:13:46 GMT -5
The only ally that the Imperium has is itself. The Imperium and the Eldar just find themselves with a necessary treaty every once in a while.
And infighting between the orks dosn't bother them because they reproduce by bleeding. Orks are a fungus, they don't care.
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Post by Rev. Ben Blythe on Mar 1, 2005 16:43:23 GMT -5
AHH nerd overload...nerdy bantering reaching limits...
ow....eeek....squeal....who....would.....win...ack erg......tie fighter.....aahhh ouch ouch.....or thunderhawk.........ack......pain......
ahh crap my ears bleeding, I will be right back.
Anyways, who fuelled the chaos leagions? Humans.
We help the humans, because the Eldar have the forsight to know that yes some day there will be no Eldar left, and Chaos will overrun. Unless, there is someone to watch and prevent Chaos. That is why the Eldar value and protect the humans when its really important. The Eldar are more aware and serving of the greater good than Tau, as the Eldar realize they must sacrifice to keep back the tide of chaos, and that sacrifice is making sure mon-keigh exist as a race, even if it means their race dies.
Much like in Tolkein where the Elves leave to go back across the water (as a side note Eldar comes from LotR, look it up) they know that Middle Earth will be left to the men. Dwarves will not come of aide, and men are the only ones able to effectively fight the forces of Sauron, so are Mon-Keigh the only ones able to win against Chaos. The Eldar must stay alive as a race to use their advance psychic abilities to guide the blind, barbaric, stupid, humans to realize their greater potential in fighting off Chaos, Nids, Necrons etc. Ladies and gentlemen, Eldar aren't the problem, nor are they the solution. Eldar are the catalyst by which the solution gets solved.
owww........crap now its from the nose, and this shirt is new.
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Post by SenatorGregory on Mar 2, 2005 20:35:45 GMT -5
what ladies?
anyway, the only way the eldar help the humans are inadvertantly. They dont MEAN to save the race of humans from the powers of chaos, they just fight them to cover theyre own hide, because they dont trust the humans can handle it. If they did think that, why not leave all the attacking to the humans and focus on rebuilding their race? oh, and as for humans "fueling" the chaos ranks, hmm lets see here. Slaanesh, the eye of terror, dark eldar....well it doesnt seem like the humans are at fault here. To blame chaos soley on humans is madness, because if humans didnt exist, then the powers of chaos would focus on turning the eldar, and they would succeed. they just turn humans because its easier. So, you see, as the eldar protect the humans without knowing it, so the humans protect the eldar simply by existing. But to say that the eldar are the humans' allies by any sense of the word is proposterous.
also, dont the eldar consider the humans an inferior race? it seems crazy to me to leave the existence of the entire galaxy to a bunch of blithering space rats. Oh man, ive got it now, hold on i gotta get a rag, pinch my nose, and lie down for a bit.
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Post by Rev. Ben Blythe on Mar 2, 2005 21:33:58 GMT -5
Elrond thought that men were inferior, yet he was able to admit that men would be able to fight off the dark lord.
I am not saying they are allies, I am not saying they go drinking together, I am saying that the Eldar have the greater good in mind. Eldar do nothing inadvertintly. A council of psykers checks and rechecks the future for the best possible course of actions. The greatest Farseer in the Universe, Eldrad Ulthuan predicts the actions of his craftworld decades in advance. What the Eldar do to hurt the humans, strengthens them so that they can win against Chaos and atone for their mistakes. Win the Eldar sacrifice themselves, Hive Fleet Kraken, it is to see their successors in the war against Chaos flurish.
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Post by SenatorGregory on Mar 2, 2005 22:24:12 GMT -5
ok, if the eldar do know everything then how come they nearly destroyed themselves? didnt they see that coming? how come they lose battles all the time? wouldn't it be more porsperous for them to survive and fight another day than to figth a battle they know they are going to lose? and if this is true, why arent the deserter rates of the eldar extremely high? im sure there are eldar out there that would rather stay alive then go to a battle they knew they were going to die at, even if it was for the greater good.
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Post by Rev. Ben Blythe on Mar 3, 2005 17:29:58 GMT -5
The way of the outcast are deserters, they are deserters that have been through the galaxy and realized what must come to pass. In fact deserters are so numerous that an entire craftworld can be made up of wanderers who have returned.
The future sight of farseers isn't perfect. They merely take action the most porbable future, which is the one they see most. The Farseer's have seen numerous futures where there are no Eldar, and have accepted their extinction.
As for Eldar loosing battles, they are either planned diversions, or an unlikely future coming to pass. The fluff can not be compared to actual gameplay or else everyone would be using movie marines lists (as seen in WD 300) and the Avatar model would be much, much bigger.
People did for see the fall. That is why their are Eldar now, the greater populus though, was blinded by their decadence and search for perfection.
War in the eldar culture has mixed views. It is an honorable thing to join one of the aspect shrines, but war itself is a woeful thing. One of the most horrifying thing in Eldar culture is the Autarch, an exarch committed wholly to war. He is viewed with fear and respect.
That is why the Eldar are super coo
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